We can see the stories changing in the telling, being simplified, critical details dropped. Then a decade or so later, a replication study by Dr. William S. Harris and colleagues was published in the Archives of Internal Medicine. Were the results similar? This was a gold standard study of the effects of intercessory prayer on almost a thousand consecutively admitted coronary patients. #unbelievable Nathan: I think what we're seeing here are the fruits of apologetics in some ways. There are any examples of this, so see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15166467/ and https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/full-moon-does-not-affect-mental-health-emergency-room-study-suggests as a couple. The emotional language in the paper is a little unusual for a medical journal, and seems a bit sensationalist. And in each case, it's a witness to God's Glory where God gives grace to overcome in different kinds of situations. The character played by Hilary Swank in the 2007 movie The Reaping was based partially on my work as a miracle detective. That said, before writing The Case for Miracles, Strobel was ambivalent about whether these miracles still happen today. For more information about our use of cookies, our collection, use, and disclosure of personal information generally, and any rights you may have to access, delete, or opt out of the sale of your personal information, please view our Privacy Policy. Here's where consistency comes in and the desiderata of Jaynes. Barbara Cummiskey Snyder is on Facebook. I don't think "I don't know" should be your default position unless that's really where you fall and so what I encourage people to do is read all sides, make an inference to the best explanation and go "this is what i think is most likely the case". Anyway, so it's the story of how we got together. In some of these cases, I'm expecting evidence that should be there if the claim is true. In Steven Novella's post at Proximal Intercessory Prayer, he comments (on a different case, but applicable here). But in some places Like I had a student from India, a doctor of ministry student, who said almost everybody that he prays for in India gets healed. This male voice coming from the corner of the room where nobody was said, 'Get up my child and walk, Strobel recounted. But in this case, he had to have the medical documentation be he'd been on disability. There was no blinding or control group so everyone in the study, subjects and experimenters, knew that every subject was getting the treatment. It's like "no trust me, this is a legit methodology and it leads to the conclusion" and that's enough to legitimize your reasoning process. She was blind, bedridden with severely impaired breathing due to a paralyzed diaphragm and a collapsed lung. I just was trying to write a footnote for my Acts Commentary because one of the arguments against the reliability of Acts, you know, one fifth of Acts or one third of Mark roughly, deal with miracles. What is that? Her doctors have written about her seemingly impossible medical turn around. Barbara Snyder (Barbara Cummiskey Snyder) healed from multiple sclerosis. He is the F.M. Barbara Snyder was diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with multiple sclerosis. Barbara Snyder (Barbara Cummiskey Snyder) - healed from multiple sclerosis The institution that is referenced for the work is Global Medical Research Institute (GMRI) and the documentary about miracles referenced is Send Proof. Here's my comment. Barbara had a very severe case of multiple sclerosis. I mean Grant still prayed for healing all his life. Subsequent medical records document repeated substantial improvement. We're talking about a lot of evidence. A question also came out that if the scientific standard seems too high for these theists, in which discipline would the standard not be too high? Just, was it last night I think, we were talking and David Dockery was sharing about Grant Osbourne, a scholar friend of ours who passed away just this past month after an amazing career of scholarship, but when he was young he had asthma. Craig Keener: It's my privilege. As an Atheist, of course it didn't. "Barbara Snyder was diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with multiple sclerosis. She actually ended up being stranded in a third country for about eight months before she could get to the U.S., but the Lord did so many miracles along the way and we're grateful for this. She had to stop and think to kind of calculate, well to get from this village to that village with this mountain and that mountain, she said, "About three hours.". 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You should receieve a confirmation email shortly. What surprised you? By this point, she was almost blind and . It also calls into question the motives of God -- God is more concerned to give you a pool table than to cure leukemia in children or heart defects or nearly anything else. God is going to wipe away every tear from our eyes. This was in 1981 that this happened. After a quick intro, the episode plays in full. A lot of accounts have been published from Asia. Yeah ,that's what Ii just asked you about! Try comparing these claims to, say, the difficulty in confirming the Higgs boson, gravity waves, black holes, or the accelerating universe. 1) A young soldier loses a limb in a battle and the limb is destroyed. We all don't get a sign or a wonder. For 15 years she had been going downhill. We would not believe any medical claim that didn't have these properties, so we are not having too high of a standard -- we are just refusing to lower the standard in these cases. If you are willing to believe the Barbard Snynder case, then you should be willing to believe this woman was healed of Parkinson's with "Energy Healing" or you should believe in the Golden Plates of Joseph Smith (making you a Mormon). She was healed just suddenly. She worked as a teacher's aide for Headstart and was a member of St. Mary's Church in Elmira, NY. There isn't anything that could tie the prayer as the causal element, given that she was most likely prayed for often an we're picking out the one case before a claimed recovery. To mix them makes it much harder to determine what's going on. And so that's kind of what prompted me to investigate this issue.. This is like the difference between theists asking skeptics to explain how the disciples ate fish with Jesus, when in reality what we have to explain is that we have a text that has a story where the disciples ate fish with Jesus. Now we move on to a video with Sean McDowell interviewing Craig Keener called Latest Evidence for Modern Miracles. The situation was pretty hopeless until something quite shocking happened. To this day.. And as a Christian I naturally did believe in miracles. This is the reason the specifics matter. Thu 03 February 2022 university facing significant debt, disaffected alumni, and deep concern about Barbara Snyder is another one that's not in the book. And why aren't there miracle claims of people spontaneously generating electricity? Scott Rae: And then she made it safely to the U.S. and then you were reunited again. We really appreciate your taking the time to come be on the podcast with us. There is nothing even close to an arm growing back. So it seems to me you can't discount it all. He has a Ph.D. and M.A. Some were tested in prosperity. Stay up-to-date with current issues, Christian teachings, entertainment news, videos & more. an 18-year-old female lost the majority of her central vision over the course of three months in 1959 and was later diagnosed with juvenile macular degeneration (JMD). Yeah, I think of my friend Nabeel Qureshi. "[5], In 2011, Cleveland.com reported Barbara R. Snyder's total compensation for the year of 2009 was $778,874.[6]. From the Send Proof film they admit that they can't publish Bruce Van Natta case because the accurate measurement of the length of intestine needed to verify the result we don't have the technology yet. Barbara Rook "Babs" Snyder is an American academic and president of the Association of American Universities. Some were tested in persecution. It is interesting the Elijah seems to understand that we need evidence to believe a claim, that we need to weigh alternative hypotheses, but he seems to have no idea what a controlled study is or why it is necessary. This is clearly a rare medical case -- but with 7 billion people you'd expect some of these often just by the law of large numbers. The first question is, are there real miracles that get recorded on video. This one actually is, I think this one is not in the book because I came across this afterwards. About a week and a half later at my daughter Allison's soccer there were like 20 families and 20 moms and dads there and one of the fathers that I had said hi to but i didn't know him, walks up to me and he says "Hi, I'm so-and-so" and I said "I'm JP" and he said "how are you doing?" and Ada Thompson Professor of Biblical Studies at Asbury Theological Seminary in Wilmore, Kentucky. Which I agree with, at least technically. People casually talk about God helping to find their car keys or help their sportsing team win, which are not miraculous but imply the intervention of the agent and thus fall under the same umbrella. It was predicted that she would die soon. diagnosis by the Mayo Clinic, her condition declined over the next 15 years. Like that's just assuming what you wanted to establish. And Coco [inaudible] prayed and Terese started breathing again and the next day she was fine. Half received prayer; the other half didnt. I confess I haven't made it through all 1000 pages. It also includes the audio recording of Duane Miller, Contains an interview with Bruce Van Natta, the mechanic I referenced who lost most of his small intestines in an accident and was later healed. It was a prospective, randomized, double-blinded, controlled study of four hundred subjects. I want our listeners to be totally aware, Craig Keener, just the two volume entitled Miracles. It's always possible to ask for more (Couldn't more doctors have seen it? Nine out of ten with prayer is the meaning of replicable, so I don't know what he really is thinking when he says miracles are not replicable. They dont want you to see this Big Tech does its best to limit what news you see. Click here to subscribe to the Charisma News newsletter. Recently, there was some data indicating possibly faster-than-light neutrinos. Craig Keener: Yes. The timeline of the events from the paper is. Here I summarize the (9 hour!) What about single cases? And just trying to stay ahead of the soldiers and the fighting. James: can we just make it a thing to always mention that like although it's not that popular these days that deism or non-interventionist form of theism are a thing like you can totally believe in god and still not be okay with miracles? The way people like the stories highlights their way of thinking and provides a teachable moment about like why don't we trust claims just from the claims, even if it has a peer-reviewed journal article. She was born on April 10, 1930 in Beverly, MA, a daughter of John A. and Irene (Walsh) Burns. And now she has a Masters degree from the seminary in Cameroon. Taking the story as the evidence is problematic. This one is much like the previous one, but there is no study -- just the stories. No one in medicine evaluates the effectiveness of a treatment from case studies alone, or even primarily due to case studies. And the third thing she noticed was she was see it with her eyes. The point is to first establish that there is some interesting effect there, regardless of the cause, and only after passing that threshold do we get to consider a more in-depth investigation. I misspoke in the episode for the next one, thinking the name was Barbara Snyder, but Barbara's case is an MS case. Facebook gives people the power. It involves Barbara Snyder and took place nearly 30 years ago. Given the number of miracle claims, and the bold claims of Christians throughout these videos, and the proliferation of cameras in people's pockets, there should be thousands of convincing videos of miracles. Intercessory prayer commences and one day he awakes to find his or her arm back on their body, intact. At this point anyone with any reasonable familiarity with how to assess the quality of medical studies should see that this is a worthless study. Any legitimate effect should be able to withstand this scrutiny (and more! For example it's obvious you'll get more miracle reports in Christian circles than, say, atheist circles even if miracles don't exist. James rightly points out that the most these people ever seem to provide is: The timeline definitely matters, especially if you're claiming a causal relationship. And Jesus answers him with words from Isaiah 35 and Isaiah 61 saying, "The disabled will walk. I said "I'm doing well" and he said "Well listen this may sound odd to you, but could you use a pool table?". 2023 Robert L. White All Rights Reserved. This article was originally published on Pure Flix Insider. What would happen if two people out in space a few meters apart, abandoned by their spacecraft, decided to wait until gravity pulled them together? This barely qualifies as a pilot study. But even with miracles, life expectancy is higher here than in Africa. James: Keener says simultaneously that there are hundreds of millions of cases but also that none of this can be replicated. Join Facebook to connect with Barbara Cummiskey Snyder and others you may know. I could just as well say that her brushing her teeth caused the healing, because she was healed in the evening shortly after she brushed her teeth. A blessing to the rest of the Body of Christ. It was easier for me for some cultures than for other cultures. And it's all very well documented too. The study mentioned by Strobel in the video above, and the one I mention in relation to healings of deafness and blindness and how it compares (very favorably) to hypnosis studies, The following is a section from Strobels book that references some of the gold standard scientific studies that show the effectiveness of prayer, which I briefly mentioned in the podcast. Even in seemingly obvious cases. Yes, I'll look for these mundane explanations first before jumping to agency, because those are the most common explanations of extraordinary claims. The deaf will hear. We only have the stories. James: Shermer's essential point is how do you distinguish charlatans from real miracles and the answer is well you weigh up the evidence and you look at the best explanation. As I've said before, the fact that there are no videos of this sort is strong evidence against the veracity of miracles. There were plenty of other stories just like it, too. He wasn't praying for healing of his physical vision, but when the Lord healed his mind, he opened his eyes and he could see. The university has retained Spencer Stuart to assist in this search. So they investigated him for fraud. Data sets with \(N=1\) are not convincing in any field. James says, to refuse to put in the controls to avoid the biases we know we have, is a form of dogmatism -- we're looking for the result we already believe and we refuse to put in the methods that would allow us to isolate the different variables. In his early 30s? Now, Strobel, whose personal story was told through the Pure Flix feature film, book and documentary titled The Case for Christ, has released, The Case for Miracles, a new investigative book that relies on facts, interviews and studies to further explore spiritual matters. I was talking with Antoinette Malumbay with my wife translating for me 'cause my wife knew the story only second hand herself. The treatment involves active physical intervention with the subject. This kind of phrasing is trying to stop people from being skeptical of their claims (and only their claims). We had to cut 45% of it to make it as short as it was, but then again, I'm not known for writing short books. Craig Keener: In Matthew 11 and Luke Chapter 7, John the Baptist sends to Jesus because he hears the works of Jesus, he hears of these healings taking place and he says, "Are you the one the come or shall we wait for somebody else?" Or even the most dramatic story I found from somebody that I or my wife knows, but this one was particularly mind blowing to me because Antoinette Malumbay was my mother-in-law and Terese is my sister-in-law. This is trying to have your cake and eat it too. See this Big Tech does its best to limit what news you see situation was pretty until. Of my friend Nabeel Qureshi about whether these miracles still happen today ; barbara Snyder was at. 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