Published on January 31, 2017. Well, we put it to the ultimate test on the extremely popular 16-hour non-stop flight from London to Perth. This won't make for a comfortable flight, especially not on the Dreamliner's 17+ hour non-stop trek between Perth and London. ), but I'd have been happy for a more conventional legrest-and-footrest combo. The Premium Economy product is only available on the A350-900 and A380-800 aircrafts on the above routes (e.g . David, what would your prefer, A380 PE or 787? And premium I just can't get as comfortable as economy which is ironic.". Very thorough and impartial article - great to see. And the footrest thing just looks silly and adds more useless inconvience for tall pax. Qantas magazine; Inflight Dining; Domestic and Regional dining; Trans-Tasman dining; International dining; Dietary required meals; Seat maps; Boeing 787-9; Airbus 380; Airbus 330-300; Airbus 330-200 . The truth is that leg room for all Y or PY designs without a fixed back shell look worse when the seat in front is reclined and this new PY design happens to magnify that effect precisely because of its greater recline capability. Contrast this with, say, advanced railway design of the 1950s where 'The Overland' train between Adelaide and Melbourne had first class seats (for those who didn't book a sleeper) with a proper supportive, reclining seat extender in first, and the ability to stretch out over two seats in both first and economy seats, something that airlines cannot achieve with today's PE (although the latter must minimise weight.) Class: Economy. Usually, these seats immediately face a fixed wall, dividing the seats from something else in the cabin. The business class seat is based off of Thompson Aero's . Larger personal TV screens. Ok, apart from the hammock thing it's no advance over something like the prev gen PE seating on EVA - Which at it's height had 40" pitch (reduced to 38 when they reconfigured the J cabin), same pivot-cradle style seat but executed better - with leg-rest, and seat dropped into it's own space when reclined, minimising the space encroachment on the passenger behind. Excellent article: very considered, and terrific photos. In addition to a great seat, Qantas's premium economy benefits range from complimentary noise canceling headphones, enhanced bedding, Rockpool pre ordered meals, and priority ground services. This is not business class!! I'd suggest the reason that satellite tech isn't factory-fitted is that with the rollout of international inflight Internet still a few years away, the tech itself can and will change. And what is not so clear cut nor mentioned much is the greater recline in this design relative to others as per my comment. Oooo that seat pitch looks like economy of a few decades ago. For families it varies: Couples travelling with lap infants will appreciate those baby bassinet facilities available at row 20A/B and 20J/K, as the bassinet frees your hands during the flight. Is it unusual that they have started selling these seats despite not revealing what they look like/what you'll actually get for your money? Best Premium Economy Class Airline Seats 2022. Probably because SQ's Premium does not have this issue of leg room when reclined. Correct me if I'm wrong. The best premium economy seats on the Qantas Boeing 787. Yet at odds with the double-dollop of USB ports is the single AC socket shared between each pair of seats or two sockets for the middle set of three seats. When reclined it could be the tightest PE on the market. Find out what makes the Qantas Dreamliner 787-9 the most advanced long-haul aircraft of its type anywhere . Here are the best watches of the year: should you care? Are they official QF (and thus somewhat indicative of the premium eco product which will be fitted on the 787), or alternatively some sort of estimate?Cheers! Departure: 16:25 Arrival 06:40+1. VA 777 for example PE is set at 41, booking wise more bang for buck there. Both Singapore and Virgin would appear to still have better seats Not an unexpected outcome from when this was first shown, a real shame as bringing this inline with VA and AirNZ at 41'' would I expect have made a great seat. Avoid this aircraft in economy if at all possible. It certainly looks tight in there! Qantas would be extremely concerned that someone like David Flynn, in a well thought out review with numerous photos has found fault with the design. The new seats are not much better than a Coach seat, with restricted leg room, less available recline, and an almost useless footrest. These are necessary as they fly some of the longest routes in the world. Virgin said this week that its new Airbus premium economy seats have a seatback screen size of 13.3 inches compared to 11.6 inches in economy, but not a patch on the 18.5 inches in business . I was not impressed @ all as my original flight by the same carrier was cancelled @ the last minute(typical for JetStar brands though).U can imagine how neutral I'm towards QF as a corp fm a pax perspective. Successful for EK on their long haul model (no 787s for comparison though) also successful on the VA 777 business class @ 14hr flights. "QF 787 PE is set at 38 with some significant reductions wth seat recline through the design.". "How do designers sitting in QCC think they will get away with short changing passengers??". Having sat in the seat today at the open day in Melbourne and playing around with the recline (with both seat in infront and my seat reclined, I can honestly say I find it very comfortable and didn't have any issues with legroom at all. I pay no attention to any review where the pax flew 'courtesy of'. Wow what a nightmare, and that's 'Premium' Economy (at a premium price). 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Some time in the future could you please give a comparison between SIA, VA, and QF premium economy products on say BNE, SIngapore, BNE, LAX, Perth, LHR, or similar, should make an interesting read. Penny pinching to say the least. Qantas 787 Premium Economy seats. "When even scoot could factory fit WiFi to their budget 787 aircraft..". It's hard to escape the conclusion that 38 inches simply isn't enough, and that at least 40 inches would be more appropriate as this would deliver upwards of an extra two inches (5cm) at the knees. The first reconfigured aircraft entered service on 20 June 2012. 30" pitch is horrific. G'DAY OWFsquad and welcome to my 32nd flight in 2020! Still a tight fit, didn't get pics along the lines you suggested (due to limited time during the walk-through pre-delivery, and then the premium economy cabin being near-full of sleeping media on the overnight leg of the delivery flight itself). Seat width: 17 inches. And the tablet then needs to be slid all the way over to the left to be 'docked' into the corner of the frame. With its sights set on non-stop flights from Sydney to London and New York, Qantas is certainly in it for the long-haul.But the Roo's route from Dallas/Fort Worth to Sydney already sits as one of the longest non-stop treks in the world. Already have an ET account? Any ideas? Not a chance in the world. Obviously not up to business, but enough The most recent remote connection with QF Group was my JetStar Pacific sector PQC->SGN earlier this mth. Registration: VH-ZNA. Its the 787 seatmap isalso onQantas.com in the seatmaps section :), Groovy! Duration: 14 hours 42 minutes. Recline 6". The newest product is on the Airbus A350. Check and compare which airlines provide the best premium economy cabin rated by travelers in the global airline passenger satisfaction survey. A seat in premium economy directly between the main and business class cabins is measurably more expensive than an economy ticket often double the price. Selecting the best seats in Premium Economy on the Qantas B787 9 Dreamliner, with Tom Otley, Editor of Business Traveller . Each seat has a 13.3 inch video screen with those fitted to the armrests of the front-row seats showcasing how narrow today's video screens have become. Qantas touts its Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner premium economy seat as 'revolutionary' and a world champion in the better-than-economy stakes. Qantas Boeing 787 Dreamliner business class seat map. 20. Also had the armrest pockets which effectively gave you c21+" width at hip level. . Your all-inclusive guide to Qantas providing the most comprehensive resource on current aircraft, . "..there really is no excuse for Qantas". Sincerely hope the A380 refit doesn't go the same way. Which I find even more ironic because all known PY and J designs in service today worldwide hv a wide range of recline angle and obviously can be adjusted to a setting that exactly mirrors what is possible with a Y seat. If youve forgotten your password, simply enter your email address Parents may wish to enjoy the aisle seats themselves while assigning their child to the middle seat. Log in below. Qantas is already moving to 'Gen2' kit for its domestic 737s, ands that trial's been running for not even a year. Still will be better than down back. Great idea for short people. QF bashing again. Talking point: have you given up on airport WiFi? Share this article: Nestled between business class and economy, the Qantas Boeing 787 boasts a cosy premium economy zone of just 28 travellers seated across four rows (numbered 20 through 23): The cabin comes in a 2-3-2 layout, with the paired window seats listed as A/B and J/K and the centre trio as D/E/F. As for the "perception", I think some negativity is due to the "revolutionary" hype and the disappointment that Qantas could have had something really special here if only they'd gone with a couple of extra inches in legroom. 70 Business 341 Economy 14 First 60 Premium Economy. Qantas Airbus A380 economy cabin. Review: Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner premium economy seat. And while most travellers will be sufficiently familiar with a seatback footrest to try and swing the calf-rest down with their feet, that struggle will get you nowhere you need to start by pulling out and holding the 'Footrest' lever under the video screen. EPIC fail due to poor seat pitch QANTAS need to correct this quickly. but a much nicer seat to sleep in than economy. Access to all AVOD system content thru a built-in screen @ every seat onboard 787 free of charge is soooo obviously not an excuse for the lack of inflight wifi by QF.. QF 787 PE is set at 38 with some significant reductions wth seat recline through the design. Maximum 24inch width available per section. PER-LHR non-stop like this? We're not fools. I have used SQ premium economy, while nice, compared with standard economy, I prefer the QF product. Would this still be the preferable row in your opinion over the other 3 rows behind and no one reclining into you? https://www.businesstrave. Dont forget aircraft fly with a nose-up attitude so a fully flat J bed puts your head lower than your legs. Austrian's B777-200 aircraft hold a total of 24 premium economy seats configured 2-4-2, while B767-300ERs contain 30 seats (expanded from 18) configured 2-2-2. Why the same complaints not extended here on this forum. Sorry to disappoint U but I hv no connection with QF. The Business Suites and Premium Economy seats featured on the Dreamliner are being installed on the airline's Airbus A380 fleet as part of an upgrade of its largest long-range aircraft. Seat: Premium Economy 35B. Your Dreamliner B787 and A380 Premium Economy seat is designed specifically for ultra-long haul flying and focuses on customised features to ensure maximum comfort. There are 28 seats in a 2-3-2 layout . If you have not received the activation email, simply enter your email address below, then click 'Submit'. THE SEAT. 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I was seated in premium economy and i. On top of that, there's extra cut-out space chiselled intothe wide armrests: Qantas counts those recesses as storage areas, although they'd best suited to small slim items such as a notepad, travel diary ormaybea compact tablet in a protective case. Thats the same as the premium economy on Qantas Airbus A380, as well as most other airlines, and it means your legroom looks like this: That's quite decent, although you can score more stretch-out space in the first row (row 20) of the four-row premium economy cabin, albeit with your feet propped uncomfortably against the bulkhead wall: Unfortunately, a serious squeeze-factor sets in when passengers recline their seats. The Qantas 787 reviews for Economy class are also mixed. I've personally found PE not comfortable, once again that's just me, hence saying ironic that I'd prefer economy. Non-bulkhead rows (row 21-23) measured 38 inches of pitch, while the bulkhead row 20 has significantly more knee room, but less room to stretch out your legs due to the bulkhead. This premium economy seat and Qantas' premium economy passengers on the Boeing 787-9 deserve better. On bigger aircraft, there can be even more . The Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner has 166 Economy seats in a 3-3-3 cabin configuration. This article is more proof how the QF 'Dreamliner' could be more correctly be called the 'Nightmareliner' (for all but the small number in business class.). What a shame Hi David, Great article, just one quick question.. does the legroom stay as tight if you are reclined as well as the pax in front? Economy seats are narrower (by 0.76 centimetres) than those on Qantas' larger international planes, but I couldn't tell. 1. All Economy seats on this aircraft have a foot rest net under seat ahead and winged headrests. Also read: AusBT reviews the Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner business class seat. Boeing 747-400 (744) Seats: 58 Business 270 Economy 36 Premium Economy. Best card for premium perks while traveling. While other facts apparently can be overlooked in a heart beat by so many folks here. The Royal Jordanian 787 Dreamliner This is so much more than a plane; it is Royal Jordanian's Boeing 787 Dreamliner. . On 28th November, I flew Qantas Dreamliner from Darwin to Sydney. Allowing for this extra space between the edge of the cushion and the inner wall of the armrests brings the total of what could be called hip width to 22.8 inches (58cm). That includes Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide. In economy class: Exit rows, aisle or window seats, and anywhere close to the front are typically considered the best seats on board. Not only AF and NZ hv the same seat design issue when they try to protect leg room/personal space thru a fixed seat back design, CX had a huge pax backlash when they tried similar design fleetwide 4~5yrs ago for the same goal and then had to abandon it quickly for longhaul(U can still see it in CX regional). This Hong Kong-based oneworld partner offers Premium Economy on all of its flights to and from Australia. It's completely free and we'll never pass your information on to Choose the seat that suits you . As the seat goes into the lazy z does it not open back up that space? Passengers in 'A' and 'K' seats are by the windows; those in 'B', 'D', 'F' and 'J' seats are by the aisles; while guests in 'E' seats are, sadly, stuck in the middle. Also, SQ is a 100% international airline for obvious reasons.Qantas on the other hand is as much a domestic airline as an international one, perhaps even more so, and it's chosen to outfit its domestic fleet first, for obvious reasons that it will help QF stay ahead in the two-horse race against Virgin, while international is already a very broad field where WiFi won't add as much advantage, so QF's contracts for satellite provider are for Australian coverage (via the NBN satellite), it doesn't have any agreement with an international satellite provider. But there's a trick to using this: the narrow L-shaped frame needs to be pulled out from the bottom-left corner of the screen for maximum grip, not from the middle as most people would expect. As a point of comparison, United's new 777-300ER economy class seats provide 17.5 inches of width, 31 inches of pitch, and the same 3 inches of recline and United's older Boeing 777-200 economy class seats provide up to 18.3 inches of width, 31 inches of pitch and 5 inches of recline. Best card for premium perks while traveling. Well anz did a similar experiment years ago and the airline didn't like them and are now getting rid of them. Premium Economy Classic Flight Rewards on the Perth-Rome route. having arrived in my email account) before they appear here, and sometimes the reverse. This is a terrible oversight when you think about about laptop-toting travellers flying as long as 17 hours between Perth and London. Login now. Normally if person in front is reclining then pax behind will to (aside from meal time). The seat pitch which approximates as an indicator of legroom, being a measure of the distance between your seat back and that of the seat in front of you, representing the room that's "yours" during the flight is 38 inches. Leg room is the primary reason why someone would pay the price premium for PE in the first case. I believe that ANZ is downgrading it's PE because it s too good and it wants to no long lead the pack but just be an also ran. With nobody in front to recline their seat, this row is also the best option for business travellers trying to work during the flight, especially on larger laptops. Seat Type: Standard Recliner. Indeed, if you leave your tablet sitting in the middle of the frame again, a natural assumption the small grip area is insufficient to hold the tablet, which then does an Olympic-grade tumble dive into your hands. See: Airline review: Qantas, Airbus A380, premium economy. Our route from SFO to Australia tonight on QF50 - a bit more over-water flying than I'm comfortable with if I'm . It will be a good idea to get Mr Qantas CEO & his mates to do a 14 hour flight in PE and see how they pull up!!!!! Masochists can sit in a W or Y seat on QF9 or QF10 but I won't be joining them. You can of course tuck your smartphone into the cubbyhole below the video screen and top up its batteries by using that 'upstairs' USB port it'll just take longer to recharge, but on a long international flight that's ample time to fill up the tank. There's nothing to communicate either of these points to passengers. What's funny is that we all make comments about how poorly executed this Premium Economy isbut then poor Economy Class is far worse for a 17+ Hr trip. (The Kiwi carrier eventually ditched the radical Spaceseat design in favour of the more conventional seat flown on its own Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners.). 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