CINDY: On the corner of Fourth and Denali. Robert Christian Hansen (the Butcher Baker) and the Delphi Murde But aside from that, he just let me play and take it wherever I wanted. Several months later, police with search warrants went through Hansen's home, finding enough evidence to eventually charge him with four murders. FLOTHE: OK. Was it a blue color? He takes me up the stairs to the garage, I mean, to the house. How did you approach your portrayal of Cindy? And I really, really If there was any chance of me getting away, he wasnt getting away with it. FLOTHE: Describe this man to me. Normally, people try avoiding that. Cindy later recounted that Robert had offered her $200 bucks for oral sex, and that hed pulled a gun on her just as soon as she stepped inside his vehicle; the teen was driven back to Roberts home where she was chained to a beam by her throat, raped, and tortured for several hours. ROBERT HANSEN (RH): Uh, you want me, Sir, to start when I first met this CINDY PAULSON the first time or, RH: or what? CINDY: OK. FLOTHE: Now you mentioned this airplane seat. FLOTHE: You drove past the house? And hes short. CINDY: Um I think it was around six. Wonderful tram tour guide Cindy is starting her fourth year as a trail tram tour driver for MCRF. I understand youre in early talks for The Kitchen Sink which has been described as a monster genre mash-up. It became very accessible to me. Now a bad childhood doesnt excuse cold blooded murder, of course, but it can help shed light on how some people are capable of committing atrocities such as these while the majority of us are not. FLOTHE: What do you mean by a cut in the back? FLOTHE: How did you know that? CINDY: Yep. The identity of one of his victims, who was found near Horseshoe lake north of Anchorage has never been established and now her remains are being exhumed. Even though we were filming something that was so heavy and tough to come to work for every day, he had this enthusiasm and energy about him that was just so upbeat and lighthearted, so that even though it was serious, you felt excited and safe. Glenn Flothe, AST. FLOTHE: Where did you go when you did it in the car? In 1984 this serial was sentenced to 461 years, a ridiculous amount of years to ensure that he would never be released again. CINDY: No. Sometime between 71 to 73 Robert began to murder young women. This is Installment Three of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. Her ability to accurately describe every detail of her ordeal was crucial to establishing her credibility as a witness. I looked in the back, OK, there was like a you know how seats in front have covers theyre metal? (pause) When did you first see this man, Cindy? Like a little Datsun station wagon. FLOTHE: Like a station wagon? CINDY: The garage was opened. I always wanted to do dramas. Same with the two sexual assaults; I have an arrest date of December 1971, but as for the date of the crimes or whether he was arrested for both at the same time (which I assume to be the case) is unclear. I was surprised that I could do it and then go home and be able to feel removed from it. "You could hear him screaming at his lawyers," Rothschild said. FLOTHE: I have its kind of a picture book with different types of guns in it, OK. Would you take a look through that picture book and see if you see a gun that might be similar to the one that this man had? View the profiles of professionals named "Cindy Paulson" on LinkedIn. Im not correct on the times, OK? CINDY: Yep. Glenn Flothe and his wife, Cheryl, after her successful kidney transplant in 2007 Im just following my gut, and if its speaking to me, then Im doing it. And she, uh, cant remember if she wasnt there or she couldnt couldt meet me. For only $3 you can help this site stay up and running! Here for the first time are the tape recordings that document that rendezvous. And brown socks. CINDY: Well, I didnt. Hudgens: Nothing that I want to talk about quite yet. People either loved it or they hated it. CINDY: On. Lets touch on this serials background for a minute, because thats important when looking at a killer. Is there anything else that you have coming up? CINDY: No. It was just shocking and disturbing. (pause) He joined the ADN in 2004 and was also an editor and investigative reporter at KTUU-TV. That was everywhere in the whole In the basement there was fish, there was wolf skin, there was stuffed animals everywhere. Looking at picture number five, is there anything different about him as you saw him, compared to the picture, Robert Hansen Police Lineup Photo Police soon picked the killer up for questioning, but when it came down to it, a mild mannered baker with a rap sheet was still more believable in the early eighties than a half naked, handcuffed and barefooted teenaged sex worker. Cindy coughs.) He said cause he used to work on the slopes and that he would come down and spend money for a girl and go to her room for ten or fifteen minutes. Donations & Patreon membership will go towards keeping this site running. Hansen owned a bakery in a downtown mini mall and lived across town with his wife and children, who knew nothing of his double life. FLOTHE: At what time did he call you on Saturday? This site is not free, I pay more than $300 just to keep this. In this installment, Cindy talks about being handcuffed by Robert Hansen at gunpoint and identifies his handgun. Im not involved though. This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. I overslept. Your email address will not be published. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/cindy_interview_mofo.mp3, Murder in Alaska: Teen Killers In The 80s, Arrest of Robert Hansen: Nothing But the Truth, Sort Of, Darla Hansen: The Better Half of Robert Hansen, Hansen's Past Warranted Property Search - Butcher Baker, A Killer's Turning Point, Badly Missed - Butcher Baker. *Though its not super graphic or bloody, this article does contain a couple of images of the killer posing with hunted game animals. FLOTHE: Did you have conversation, then, with him on Friday? Cindy I notice that you are visibly upset and have tears and crying. FLOTHE: Which photograph is that? And he said well he was gonna start getting his moneys worth. And that, um, I was lucky because usually the other ones stayed a week. Cindy Paulson was Neighborhood All-Star on July 14. He had been placed in medical segregation in Anchorage, which is akin to being in the hospital, Daigle said at the time. He never learned her real name, he said. Opening August 23rd, the film also features Dean Norris, Radha Mitchell and Curtis 50 Cent Jackson. He takes Paulson to a hospital and her clothes are kept for a rape Kit. Now her body has been exhumed from from the cemetery at Anchorage Memorial Park with the hope that DNA testing and facial reconstruction will lead to her being identified. FLOTHE: Really dark color. 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And he had pulled out his wallet and showed me a whole bunch of money When he was arrested for the sexual assaults, Robert had claimed to have been an innocent man, and she believed what hed told her; shed had her suspicions that her husband may have been a cheater who possibly enjoyed the company of an escort every once in a while, but a woman killer? Dont cause no problems and I wont hurt you. FLOTHE: Did you notice anything about the sights? FLOTHE: What kind of boots? CINDY: They were a dark brown. Interesting stuff. When it was time for Hansen to go to prison, his plea agreement included a request, according to accounts at the time: He would do his time outside Alaska. 'We're not trying to solve the crime. Glenn took what the FBI had said along with Cindys account of what Robert had done to her, and he obtained a search warrant for his suspects dwelling. She described the kidnapper and his plane to authorities, but when police questioned him, he had an alibi and a gentle demeanor, so they let him go. There are 30+ professionals named "Cindy Paulson", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. On June 13, 1983, Cindy Paulson was kidnapped and raped, her life threatened by Robert Hansen. That was why [Hansen] kept telling me to lay down. You can listen to the podcast of this interview here. (crying) Eventually his buddys conscience got the better of him, and he confessed his crimes to the police; for his role, Robert was sentenced to three years incarceration. I actually shot that before I filmed this (The Frozen Ground) interestingly enough. (laughs) Its my monster of sorts. CINDY: Regular Just working boots. In a police interview after Paulson's escape, she told him she got the feeling other people may live in the house. He intended to do the same with Cindy on June 13, 1983. Vanessa Hudgens turns in a surprisingly raw and emotionally powerful performance in Scott Walkers suspenseful thriller, The Frozen Ground, as 17-year-old street hooker Cindy Paulson, one of the few victims that managed to escape Alaskas most notorious serial killer, Robert Hansen (John Cusack). "I can still see him when he got livid like that," he said. Hansen was officially charged with the abduction and rape of Cindy Paulson and the murders of Joanna Messina, Sherry Morrow, Paula Goulding, and the unidentified body known as "Eklutna Annie." On February 28, 1984, Robert Hansen was sentenced to 461 years plus life in prison with no parole. CINDY: Um hmm. The woman, who was. FLOTHE: At this time, so I know what youre talking about, cause I have not been in the house, Cindy Only a dozen bodies were located. CINDY: Uh huh. Couple find note in chimney that reveals their 290,000 house was 100 times cheaper 50 years ago. Hudgens: It was so helpful. FLOTHE: OK. Its been some time since you last talked to him, in fact, its been quite some time. So its immoral to make snap judgments about people. All Rights Reserved., https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2017/09/08/robert-hansen-graves-along-knik/, Killers found not guilty by reason of insanity. REVEALED: Roald Dahl books were neutered by woke consultants aged eight to 30 - led by 'non-binary, asexual, After one school says it is families' responsibility to police their children's social media spats, Jenni or debate this issue live on our message boards. Women were tortured, beaten and assaulted before being blindfolded, with their hands bound behind their backs and told to run. CINDY: Nope. If hed just murdered those women, they couldnt have turned him in, and he wouldnt have been in trouble not committing violent crimes was never an option. This actually wasnt an uncommon thing for parents to do during this time period, plenty of us lefties in past generations were forced to conform, but apparently this deeply scarred this young man. FLOTHE: OK. And it may not even be in there. To the left is the basement. Hansen later told investigators that his first kill involved a woman he assumed to be a topless dancer or prostitute. I guess Im superstitious, so I dont like talking about things until they happen, but there are a few things in the works. This is Installment Four of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. It was during this 30 month prison stint that he was diagnosed as bipolar with schizophrenic episodes, and wife number one filed for a divorce. The serial killer wasnt even on the suspect list anymore, hed been completely cleared. And he had called me and I slept through it. Anchorage's jail is one of the state's only correctional facilities with a medical unit. FRANK ROTHSCHILD (FR): Alright. FLOTHE: OK. This is Installment Four of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. FLOTHE: Two hundred dollars is a lot of money CINDY: Uh huh. Glenn Flothe, AST. And if Im not mistaken I think he had a green or a light t-shirt underneath it. CINDY: Uh huh. It was funny though, cause before, when he was getting ready to take me to his cabin, he said that, um, there had been seven other girls before me. The date on her grave marker is April 24, 1984, one day off the date the body was found. FLOTHE: Youre pointing at Figure Number 21. He had already tortured and raped her, and she was still handcuffed when she ran from his car to flag down passing traffic. https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2017/09/08/robert-hansen-graves-along-knik/. Kyle Hopkins is special projects editor of the Anchorage Daily News. Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part II July 18, 2017 Admin Leave a comment This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. When will it be released? Since his release from the Iowan prison, Robert had been arrested more than once for crimes such as shoplifting, but somewhere around 71 and 72 he was arrested for having sexually assaulted both a sex worker and a housewife by the names of Patricia Roberts and Susan Heppeard. They pushed me every day to get reactions out of me on the camera that I wouldnt have done if it wasnt for them taking me to those places. Sadly in a roundabout way Robert brought upon his own two children the same thing which had traumatized him, his kids were bullied mercilessly for their fathers evil acts. Only reason I know was cause I was layin there. Flothe said. The Special Agent had known that this killer would be into collecting trophies from his victims, that he would have very little self worth, and that hed have a burning hatred for women you know, the usual type thing, but to pinpoint this killers stutter is truly astonishing! (pause) In order to keep their witness close, the state trooper and his wife befriended the young survivor, then Glenn reached out to the FBI. FLOTHE: Hairstyle? (Sound of pages turning. It seems most likely that he was arrested for the sexual assaults in December of 71, remained in trouble with the law (he served a short prison sentence) throughout 72, and probably started killing after his release. Cindy Paulson is Portrayed by Vanessa Hudgens In The Film 17 Year Old Cindy Paulson is handcuffed and screaming for help. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. FLOTHE: How did you know this? He often found his victims among topless dancers and prostitutes in downtown Anchorage. Like many killers he targeted transient women, they were often exotic dancers and sex workers; after hed charmed the woman of his choice and done his best to convince her of his harmlessness, Robert would talk her into leaving with him. While there does not seem to be a singular traumatic event in Roberts childhood which we can pinpoint, it appears that hed had a really difficult time in most aspects of his life as a kid and even as an adult he just couldnt (or wouldnt) let it go. CINDY: Um hmm. I mean, bills, or did he just give you the change? Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. Dr. Cindy Paulson, senior vice president and Brown and Caldwell's Chief Technical Officer, is responsible for advancing the company's technical strategy from innovation to talent development and quality delivery. Wife is shocked after husband of 15 years asks for permission to have an affair: 'I don't know what to do'. It was smooth. He is just so punctual, and he always knows his lines, and hes there to get the job done. Big ol like caribou and goats heads, big ones stuffed everywhere. What are your thoughts on the reception to Spring Breakers? He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. FLOTHE: So if youre unsure about something (Cindy coughs) just tell me, all right? Hansen would kidnap the women at gunpoint, tie them up, then fly to remote areas to kill them. I didnt know, there was, uh I I I couldnt see her that night cause it was during the week and Im running my bakery and I start there at 1:00 in the morning and, uh, she give me a phone number there for her at one of the motels. CINDY: Yep. We should all help each other out and give love to everyone as much as possible. CINDY: They look the same. We just want her to be identified.'. Hudgens: It depended on the scene. And it had a long barrel (turning of pages) like Figure 4 or (pause) Figure 2. He was convicted of just four of the murders in a deal that spared him having to go to trial 17 times. This looks black but its actually blue. FLOTHE: Did he point the gun at you at any time? FLOTHE: The same car as on Friday? Were able to have honest and trusting conversations about how to make BC, and hopefully the industry, a place We must take small steps to make a positive change in the workplace and industry and, right now, its We work to create a more inclusive space because everyone deserves to live and embrace their truths. Glenn had been involved in the investigation of three murdered women; these victims had obviously been connected, they had all been discovered at least partially nude, theyd been shot with the same type of firearm, and buried in a shallow grave. He doesnt mess around. Kids can be so cruel; while the boys his own age poked fun of and beat on him, the girls all laughed about how ugly he was. And so I gave him my telephone number And he was going To be frank, honest, I was asking him for change for a cigarette machine. Instead he would immediately force her to board his small bush plane, and hed fly her out to a desolate area near Knik River where he would sexually assault her in a little shack which hed occupied there. What Cindy Paulson escaped is mind-numbing. OK, well he was taking me from being downstairs to the airport, to go get in his plane, the seat was not in the back seat, it was in the trunk, cause he kept going from the trunk carrying things to fit in the airplane. The many other women who fell into Hansen's grasp were flown into the alaskan wilderness, near the Knik River, where Hansen had a cabin. And he had cuffed one of my hands, and I was trying to get loose and he pulled out a gun. I can tell you (inaudible) I can describe the plane to you. I operated behind a work persona. He liked to take these women home with him, and once a victim had entered this killers lair she was pretty much doomed; he would take her down to the basement, often to a secret soundproof room where he already had chains rigged up. Now, from reading your report apparently you had a pretty good description of the house that you gave the police. Did he have a moustache, Cindy? When his wife, Darla Marie Henrichsen Hensen, and their children were home (they visited family in Arkansas quite often) its believed that Robert would simply skip taking his victim home altogether. I absolutely adore him. CINDY: I knew I was in trouble. * I would like to talk about Roberts wife, Darla, and their two children for a minute. Is this part of a deliberate strategy to develop further as an actress and put the High School 3 image behind? CINDY: You know, I didnt feel nothing, cause I knew I wasnt gonna live. Then he had got my other hand cuffed, I dont know how he did it, it was just frightening, cause I didnt really I fought, but not a lot, cause I knew he would do something. Ever since I was young, I wanted to be in a role where I could play a prostitute or a drug addict, because its nice to be able to portray someone who is so far from you, which I love. She gave me an extremely solid foundation and told me her earliest memories that she had until where she is to this day. CINDY: Uh huh. But it would be simple psychopaths are master manipulators and first class liars. If his social life hadnt been bad enough, he never could find much solace at home, either. Identifying and finding Hansen's weapon cache would prove essential to making the murder case against the " Butcher, Baker ." CINDY: Uh huh. And so, I was guided along very beautifully by them. He invited me afterwards to go to dinner with him and a couple of his friends because he felt so bad about putting me through that. He remains active in the markets. She had been engaging in sex work. It turned into a cat and mouse chase. Learn how your comment data is processed. Workers and drug dealers and dancers came and went, many with few ties to the state and no one to notice if they went missing. CINDY: Um hmm What did you learn about yourself in the process of making this film? Then on the night, and when this I guess, really began, uh, I met her up town after, well, on the Saturday, CINDY:(Inaudible) gave the gentleman my telephone number and asked him to call me. CINDY: Thats it. Heres a link: https://www.patreon.com/Morbidnmacabre. When his truck became stuck in the mud, the woman tried to run. "As far as Hansen is concerned, this world is better without him." There was this aha moment that there are a lot of people like me within the company. Robert Hansen confessed to killing 17 women in the 1970s and early 80s and after the murder 30 years ago, led authorities to her body near a lake in the north of Anchorage. Brown and Caldwell's former Chief Technical Officer Cindy Paulson understands that for Balance and Belonging to thrive, employees need to be who they truly are. Too often, Robert Hansen was believed instead of the women, many of them dancers or prostitutes, who testified against him. CINDY: Looked kinda like this, with a really long barrel. That opens the door to me being accessible and fully embraced and thats powerful. FLOTHE: OK. Where were you at when you saw him on a Friday? He confessed to sometimes releasing the women in the woods in order to stalk and hunt them before the murders. Only 12 bodies of the 17 women Hansen confessed to killing have been found. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. Sure, no problem, Im like, fine, no problem. Hey, no problem, you know. In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. She would, of course, run like hell for her life, but the killer would track her down. I was going through those emotions and seeing the same things. Roberts first kill is either believed to have occurred in 1971, 1972, or 1973. CINDY: Right around Fourth and Denali. He was 75 years old. CINDY: The same person. Your email address will not be published. And I was just running. CINDY PAWLCYN Award-winning chef, cookbook author and founder of a dozen restaurants, Cindy Pawlcyn reveals a few of her secrets to starting a successful bus. Youve taken on some very interesting, challenging roles lately in different genres like this film and also Gimme Shelter. FLOTHE: You saw a bunch of money in his wallet? The FBI had been spot on about everything. Thats what it takes for teams to bring their best selves to work every day.. Hudgens: I wanted her to be a normal teenage girl. Darla had truly believed that if she stuck it out, she could eventually talk Robert into going to church with her more often she thought that she could save the soul of the man shed vowed before God to love, and her marriage would be fixed as well. CINDY: He just drove by. Laurel Andrews was a reporter for the Anchorage Daily News, Alaska Dispatch News and Alaska Dispatch. FLOTHE: And then you overslept and consequently didnt meet him. CINDY: Hey, for a blowjob in the car, hell yeah. He picked her up in town and told her he was driving her to his home in Muldoon, he said. The website seems to belong to the author of the book which inspired the aforementioned Hollywood movie, his name is Leland E. Hale. There was a bullet hole in the floor. He was also an avid hunter. FLOTHE: And what color were his boots? 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